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Dave Stark 2767	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:35:00 - [1] - Quote and ******** thread of the day goes to... OP, congratulations!
Dave Stark 2770	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:56:00 - [2] - Quote Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Rebecha Pucontis wrote: Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged How did you work out you are being punished? And again, what exactly is it that you want compensation for? to get all racial BC T2 hulls if you didn't post a terrible op, followed by answers that make no sense, people might take you more seriously.
Dave Stark 2770	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:59:00 - [3] - Quote Virginia Virdana wrote: Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged The only thing you are being "punished" for is your lack of forward planning actions having consequences. who'd have thought!
Dave Stark 2771	Posted - 2013.04.23 16:06:00 - [4] - Quote Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Virginia Virdana wrote: Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged The only thing you are being "punished" for is your lack of forward planning Im two months old. How was I supposed to plan it on time? two months old, over a month until the changes. more than enough time to train those skills.
Dave Stark 2771	Posted - 2013.04.23 16:10:00 - [5] - Quote Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Tippia wrote: Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: That's why I propose recompensation. GÇ£RecompensationGÇ¥ suggest that something was lost. So the question is: for what? What have you lost? No, having to train skills under new skill tree is not a loss GÇö it's just the game. In fact, under this new tree, you'll have a far easier time training for things than the older characters had. At best, the older characters should be compensated for having their clones become more expensive without actually gaining anything for itGÇª Exactly. That's what I'm pointing at. This change itself hits those who have Dessy V and BC V quite a bit but even harder those who don't. so not having a more expensive clone is now harder than having an expensive one? rvb, now pvping in high sec to be found under the bridge frequented by goats.
Dave Stark 2771	Posted - 2013.04.23 16:14:00 - [6] - Quote Rebecha Pucontis wrote: Jame Jarl Retief wrote: Personally I'd rather see the whole SP and training system scrubbed or at least totally overhauled. So basically you want to scrap one of the most unique aspect and biggest draw of the game, and turn the skill system into a Wow clone? this. i like the sense of progression without mindless grind.
Dave Stark 2775	Posted - 2013.04.23 16:36:00 - [7] - Quote Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Tippia wrote: Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Do u understand that if we (noobs) leave this game there will be noone to sell your crap to and noone shoot in low sec at? Of course there will GÇö namely everyone else. Now, you do understand that GÇ£catching upGÇ¥ is not an applicable concept in EVE, right? That the only thing that new players can't GÇ£catch upGÇ¥ with is total SP? That total SP is a meaningless stat that only serves one purpose: making your clone more expensive? That beyond total SP, GÇ£catching upGÇ¥ is not only very possible, but actually inevitable, and also a hugely inefficient way of spending your time? That the design of marginal improvement for exponential increases in cost, and of diminishing returns means that 1 SP Gëá 1 SP? You're asking to be compensated for the non-loss of not being subject to an actual compensation (one that only results in them being exactly where they were before). You are getting the exact same deal. Quote: Noobs/newer players deserve some love too. They're getting a lot of it: they get a much improved ship progression tree, where almost everything is much easier and quicker to train for. You are right. But I'm punished in that way: Let's see you have all cruisers at III and BC IV. Nothing changes for u. But I have 1 racial cruiser III and BC IV. So basically my BC 1 SP is gonna lose 75% of its weight. Is it fair? remind me again what ships you're going to be unable to fly after the change? i thought so.
Dave Stark 2775	Posted - 2013.04.23 16:56:00 - [8] - Quote Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Just as I expected I don't get any support. Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person. Why? Because there almost no new players in this game. actually it's sensible people telling you, quite rightly, that this thread is bad. why? because as much as GD is full of bad posts, we don't really need more.
Dave Stark 2778	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:59:00 - [9] - Quote Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Rebecha Pucontis wrote: Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Just as I expected I don't get any support. Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person. Why? Because there almost no new players in this game. You really haven't learnt anything from what people are trying to tell you in this thread have you. I exactly got what they are to tell me:" Omg. **** u didn't train all skills on time? Haha fail! We planned all ahead and u didn't. NOOB!" That's what most posts address. actually, we just pointed out that had plenty of time to train them. however, instead of training them you're here complaining about it....
Dave Stark 2780	Posted - 2013.04.23 18:07:00 - [10] - Quote pretty sure if the OP stops whining, and updates their skill queue, they could probably get all racial frigs to IV, all racial cruisers to III, destroyers to V, and battlecruisers to IV before june 4th.

Dave Stark 2780	Posted - 2013.04.23 18:11:00 - [11] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: Dave Stark wrote: pretty sure if the OP stops whining, and updates their skill queue, they could probably get all racial frigs to IV, all racial cruisers to III, destroyers to V, and battlecruisers to IV before june 4th. We should just go and kill her over and over again, until she apologizes for even opening her mouth. ^_^ i knew training destroyers V would be useful. also just put it in evemon, 21 days to get what i just said. 42 days to get it to V. isn't 42 days from now, june 4th? oh look, it is. edit: closer to 43 days, but meh, the OP should already have some of the skills trained anyway.. right?
Dave Stark 2786	Posted - 2013.04.23 20:05:00 - [12] - Quote yes, eve is a game. congratulations. now why don't you play it, instead of complaining about it?
Dave Stark 2789	Posted - 2013.04.23 20:40:00 - [13] - Quote Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Reported reported for abusing the report system.
Dave Stark 2790	Posted - 2013.04.23 20:57:00 - [14] - Quote Tippia wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Man, I really wish you could downvote posts. That one just rustled my jimmies. There's always the bounty systemGÇª they're unworthy of the isk.
Dave Stark 2803	Posted - 2013.04.24 06:08:00 - [15] - Quote this thread is at 13 pages? christ. didn't we already decide the OP is a moron and nobody should get free sp for making bad choices?
Dave Stark 2805	Posted - 2013.04.24 06:46:00 - [16] - Quote Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Nathalie LaPorte wrote: Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both. If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/ The amount of approving posts here does not imply anything. I'll gain more support as time X comes closer. no you won't. stupidity is a constant.
Dave Stark 2808	Posted - 2013.04.24 09:40:00 - [17] - Quote Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: U cry like a 10-year old boy. Oh, wait. U probably are a 10-year old boy let's see the facts here. starts thread crying about ship changes you were informed about nearly a year ago. had plenty of time to train the skills but decided not to. demands 2mil SP for no reason other than stupidity. complains bitterly when people point out your error. say i'm the one crying. the people in this room with me are wondering why i'm laughing so hard. please, try harder.
Dave Stark 2811	Posted - 2013.04.24 10:34:00 - [18] - Quote Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: more butchery of the english language. 2 months old, old enough to train the skills you're crying about. you're the one that isn't smart, it would seem. when you stop acting like a mongoloid, i'll stop treating you like one. how did i detect your bitterness? the salty waterfall produced from your posts. if you think this is crying, you're even more ******** than i thought. as i pointed out yesterday, if you start now you can have them trained by the patch anyway. so what exactly is the problem other than your own inability to comprehend basic facts?
Dave Stark 2821	Posted - 2013.04.24 17:17:00 - [19] - Quote Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: What makes u think that I have a slightest desire to talk to u lol? Are u an angry alt of those who already wrote here or an independent character who decided to earn some fame by posting in this thread? how would i 'earn some fame' in this useless thread? it's just one person being told repeatedly they're wrong and not getting it, then becoming abusive and insulting because they don't know how to accept they're incorrect You probably understand even if 100 people say one way and 1 person says the other way, it doesn't imply that that 1 person is incorrect. Right? I never offended anyone, but instead I got like +30 insults in this thread from players who claim to be 'adults'. At some point even a calm and rational person like me loses his patience and starts adding some sourness into the posts. you haven't been insulted once, you've simply been told how you're acting. summed up in a word; badly.
Dave Stark 2821	Posted - 2013.04.24 17:28:00 - [20] - Quote flakeys wrote: Solstice Project wrote: Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him. Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is that people kill him because he has an opinion. As someone whispered in my ear for this lad you'd join RvB just to shoot him over and over and over and .... the prospect is tempting.

Dave Stark 2821	Posted - 2013.04.24 17:35:00 - [21] - Quote flakeys wrote: Dave Stark wrote: flakeys wrote: Solstice Project wrote: Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him. Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is that people kill him because he has an opinion. As someone whispered in my ear for this lad you'd join RvB just to shoot him over and over and over and .... the prospect is tempting. Yeah gosh who would have whispered this in my allts ear in scc dave? Who oh who .... i have no idea... none what so ever.
Dave Stark 2824	Posted - 2013.04.24 17:58:00 - [22] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Caxton Verticorda wrote: If you start training now there is enough time to get Battlecruisers 5 and Destroyers 5 before the changes hit. (Probably a repost since I cba to read through every other post, but hey.) Only if you start NOW, are on a perfect perc/wil remap, and have +5s or are otherwise able to train at least 2700 sp/hr. Otherwise no, you'll miss it and only be able to get up to battlecruisers 4, which should still be fine for most new players. Older players should have already known about and gotten the skills they need considering they've known about this change for a very long time. if i've read the dev post correctly it says training in progress will be paused (not refunded) so even if you did start now, you will only have a day or two left to train (multiplied by 4) so even then you have what, a week at most of training to "catch up" with?
Dave Stark 2826	Posted - 2013.04.24 18:15:00 - [23] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Dave Stark wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Caxton Verticorda wrote: If you start training now there is enough time to get Battlecruisers 5 and Destroyers 5 before the changes hit. (Probably a repost since I cba to read through every other post, but hey.) Only if you start NOW, are on a perfect perc/wil remap, and have +5s or are otherwise able to train at least 2700 sp/hr. Otherwise no, you'll miss it and only be able to get up to battlecruisers 4, which should still be fine for most new players. Older players should have already known about and gotten the skills they need considering they've known about this change for a very long time. if i've read the dev post correctly it says training in progress will be paused (not refunded) so even if you did start now, you will only have a day or two left to train (multiplied by 4) so even then you have what, a week at most of training to "catch up" with? They changed that? This is what I last saw: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2149156#post2149156 "Only rational integers need apply." ah i see, i hadn't seen that quote. only one of my alts will miss out then, oh well. it's only destroyers V i'll be sacrificing.
Dave Stark 2826	Posted - 2013.04.24 18:28:00 - [24] - Quote seems i was right \o/ i really should bookmark these things once i've read them. either way i think i'll sacrifice destroyers to the patch day gods still, for my purposes it's less important than battlecruisers V
Dave Stark 2826	Posted - 2013.04.24 18:37:00 - [25] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Nevermind, I found it: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2584445#post2584445 EDIT: Yeah, posted above. Also, if the OP still wants those "free skillpoints", he could, if he didn't have any frigate or cruiser skills trained, train destroyers and battlecruisers to V and he'll get them back on patch day! Which I might add could be abused. If he were perc/will remapped but wanted to train some skills in int/mem for example, he could do this, get the skillpoints, and then dump it into the int/mem skills so he'd essentially get them trained to the same amount over time as if he had been remapped for them. so in short, this actually benefits new players more than old players. train all these sp at max sp/hour then put them in to things you'd otherwise train slower, that's pretty handy for new players who need to train support skills at the same time without putting themselves at a disadvantage in comparison to older players who already have the support skills.
Dave Stark 2829	Posted - 2013.04.24 19:54:00 - [26] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: CONCORD wrote: Dave Stark has been killed and a bounty of the sum of 2.208.514 ISK been claimed. Woah, wtf ! shrug ~elite pvp~
Dave Stark 2829	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:22:00 - [27] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote: I can't believe this thread hasn't been locked yet. Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: There was also a parenting movement in the 1990s that was all about telling kids how special and smart they are, even if the kid is found playing with their own poop. This, they told, was important because if they didn't, the kid will grow up to be the next school shooter or have (OMG Horror of Horrors!!!) "a low self esteem". (I got the vapors typing that). The 90's? This **** is still going on today, unfortunately. Snipped the rest of your outstanding post. I was born in 1990. I was told I was smart and special. I turned out mostly okay, I think. :P i was also born in 1990. i'm not sure if this strengthens or weakens the argument...
Dave Stark 2830	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:28:00 - [28] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: which would save you at least 8 days. to new players, a week is a long time. especially when you are training every random skill you can find to try new things to see if it's something you want to invest more time in to.
Dave Stark 2830	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:28:00 - [29] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Oh geezus, RvB really should introduce some recruitment standards. every one needs cannon fodder.
Dave Stark 2831	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:57:00 - [30] - Quote Khira Kitamatsu wrote: What I do not understand is that people that people that trained for the Orca will not get refunded all the SP they needed to get the Orca under the old requirements - compared to the new. here we go again....

Dave Stark 2831	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:03:00 - [31] - Quote Khira Kitamatsu wrote: admiral root wrote: Khira Kitamatsu wrote: What I do not understand is that people that people that trained for the Orca will not get refunded all the SP they needed to get the Orca under the old requirements - compared to the new. None of those skills are being removed from the game so there's no reason to refund the SP. The only reason I trained those skills was because it was necessary to fly the Orca. Now CCP tells me that all those skills I trained are no longer needed for the Orca. Skills I will never use. They were a waste of time. Should I not be compensated for those skills? CCP changed the requirements - not me. Why should I be penalized because CCP decides to make a change? Explain please. remind me again what you lost with the orca skill changes? nothing? i thought so. move along.
Dave Stark 2832	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:08:00 - [32] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Khira Kitamatsu wrote: admiral root wrote: Khira Kitamatsu wrote: What I do not understand is that people that people that trained for the Orca will not get refunded all the SP they needed to get the Orca under the old requirements - compared to the new. None of those skills are being removed from the game so there's no reason to refund the SP. The only reason I trained those skills was because it was necessary to fly the Orca. Now CCP tells me that all those skills I trained are no longer needed for the Orca. Skills I will never use. They were a waste of time. Should I not be compensated for those skills? CCP changed the requirements - not me. Why should I be penalized because CCP decides to make a change? Explain please. How are they a waste of time? You didn't use them when you trained them to fly an Orca. You don't use them now. You won't use them after the patch. You trained them to get what you wanted when you wanted them, and now you have it. So what's to complain about? made bad decisions expects reimbursement for stupidity. that's the topic of the day, why ccp should reimburse stupid.
Dave Stark 2832	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:10:00 - [33] - Quote Khira Kitamatsu wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Khira Kitamatsu wrote: admiral root wrote: Khira Kitamatsu wrote: What I do not understand is that people that people that trained for the Orca will not get refunded all the SP they needed to get the Orca under the old requirements - compared to the new. None of those skills are being removed from the game so there's no reason to refund the SP. The only reason I trained those skills was because it was necessary to fly the Orca. Now CCP tells me that all those skills I trained are no longer needed for the Orca. Skills I will never use. They were a waste of time. Should I not be compensated for those skills? CCP changed the requirements - not me. Why should I be penalized because CCP decides to make a change? Explain please. remind me again what you lost with the orca skill changes? nothing? i thought so. move along. What did I lose? 32 days of SP skill training - skills that I do not need any longer. That is over a month of game time. no you didn't. try again.